Larose Forest

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Anonymous

Guest
Does anyone know the "official" status of Larose Forest? There seems to be alot of rumours out there. I would like to know if it's still legal to ride Larose forest or will you be fined?
I understand the ATV club has taken the trails over but does this mean we are not aloud on those trails whatsoever?
Thanks!
 

smokin

Active member
Not sure if Ed reads this as he's done the most work with Larose. But I believe we are still clinging to some sort of arrangement to allow for minimal trail development
 
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Anonymous

Guest
I have been out of touch for a while.

The status on Larose for bikes is par for the course, a tough go. No official status for bike trails, unlike ATVs and dog sleds. As far as I know the forest is open with posted restrictions.

A proposal was presented to the Larose Forest planning committee, It was rejected at the committee level and then immediately taken to council with a recommendation to reject, which was upheld. The feedback was; " One of the reasons is the noise pollution factor associated with motorcycles and the fact that certain Council members received a lot of complaints two years ago when trails were being established. "
 
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Anonymous

Guest
I called the township of Prescott / Russell office yesterday to inquire about the status of Larose Forest. The woman I spoke with informed me that the area was open only to ATV's and definately closed to motorcycles.

I did not ask for the woman's name and- I was transfered to her
 
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Anonymous

Guest
well guys all i know is my bike is plated green and insured. so i am not going to be told by a member of a 4 wheelers club who sudenly think they own the whole darn forest just because his brother or uncle sits on the counsel.they realy need to look at the forest damage from four wheelers versus 2 wheelers.and the noise give me a break.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
I received an email back from the County. It's not good at all. Although from what I can tell....and I'm clarifying as we speak...the Bylaw is NOT yet in place but will be very soon. And...from someone I spoke with...it looks like the Bylaw/laws will be enforced on weekends especially. From what I understood they will be checking for license and Insurance for a start ($5000 fine for no insurance)..in co-operation with the Police. So for those with no insurance..be very careful here.

Here is the email I received back from the County:


The Larose Forest is owned and managed by the United Counties of Prescott and Russell. We are currently working on a By-law "Vehicle Use of Larose Forest By-law" to regulate and promote responsible enjoyment and use of trails in the Larose Forest by motorized vehicles. This proposed by-law does not allow the use of 2 wheel dirt bikes in the forest. Last year, the Counties signed an agreement with an affiliated OFATV club. Trails have been assigned and we are working very close with this club to enforce the proper use of the assigned trails. unfortunately, two wheel dirt bikes are not allowed on these trails as per the club's policies and insurance coverage. In essence, two wheel dirt bikes are only allowed on municipal roads as per the Highway Traffic Act or any other applicable laws and not on United Counties property.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Regards,

Louis Prévost, MCIP, RPP
Directeur / Director
Département d'Urbanisme / Planning Department
59, rue Court
L'Orignal ON K0B 1K0
www.prescott-russell.on.ca
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Hey everyone. Here is an update from Mr. Prevost:


I expect that the By-law will be adopted by County Council at the end of June. You can certainly use the trails up to that time, but I would kindly ask that you do not ride on the trails that are marked No motorized vehicles. Please make sure that you have the proper registration and insurance coverage to ride in the Forest as you will probably be stopped by both By-law Officers and the OPP (enforcement will be stepped up during this period).

Have a good weekend.

Louis Prévost, MCIP, RPP
Directeur / Director
Département d'Urbanisme / Planning Department
59, rue Court
L'Orignal ON K0B 1K0
 

G. Brunet

New member
Wouldn't it be nice to have sometrails for atv's and some for 2 wheel vehicles. ATV's can actually do more damage to the terrain specially when the ground is wet as they create large ruts and banks.

I was at LaRose yesterday, no one else around. We had a great 4 hour ride some areas are wet but was a great day.

This will be a shame once everything is passed.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
I guess the reality is we are not as organized as the ATV clubs. They have the numbers to represent a cause. Unfortunately from what I have seen in Ottawa the off road motorcyclists do not care about places to ride other than when they aren't available anymore.
Other than Limerick forest where we have great representation which I am very greatful for!
 

wyliecoyote

New member
Perhaps the general population of off road riders in Ottawa doesn't care, but I can assure you the BMA members care a great deal.

We have many BMA members on committees in Limerick and in Calabogie (Lanark). Recently we had a member of OFTR, at the May 13 Limerick meeting in Maynard, representing riding interests for motorcyclists in Ontario.

We also have members representing our interests in Larose but that has not been very successful the last year. In the past couple of years BMA was allowed to lay out a trial single track in Larose but that permission was cancelled because of one person.

Trust me, the BMA does not want to see 2 wheeled vehicles banned from Larose and certainly the OFTR does not want this to happen. Once a ban is put in effect it is very difficult to have it reversed.

Personally, I don't see any logic in allowing ATV's and not motorcycles. If there is any logical conclusion as to who should be allowed and who should be banned does it not make sense to ban ATV's because they have 4 wheels and could conceivable produce twice the footprint? Haven't we heard how the ATV's love to get into those mud holes and make a mess of the trails?

Perhaps it is time for you and your buddies to step up and fight for your rights in Larose. Find out when, where, and what time the next council meeting is and attend with a large delegation of off road motorcyclists.

Sounds to me if Prescott-Russell bans 2 wheeled vehicles and allows only 4 wheeled vehicles in Larose they are leaving the County open to an expensive lawsuit from motorcycling activists. Bet the voting public would not be happy with the few who make such an illogical decision. Wonder what the local newspapers would print if they were aware of such a biased policy. Perhaps someone should give the local newspapers a call and get something in print before a decision is made.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Please keep in mind that Ed Miller has put a tremendous amount of work into the Larose situation over the last several years. Ed and the BMA were making good progress there until a complaint was brought forward and the forestry management staff was changed. Perhaps we should approach OFTR about this problem. They, and Ken Hoeverman, have been very helpful on the Limerick file.
 

Doug

Administrator
Anonymous":lcunm5sw said:
I guess the reality is we are not as organized as the ATV clubs. They have the numbers to represent a cause.
Here's the reality...the BMA was on top of this from day one thanks to Ed's efforts, and was part of the original users committee. The club was possibly the best turned out group in those early information sessions.
But then council dissolved that group without consultation, and basically turned everything over to the ATV group while refusing to talk to the BMA! :roll:
 
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Anonymous

Guest
I have read through the above posts and am very concerned.

I ride in Larose at least 10 times per year, I taught my son to ride there and hope to teach my daughter there. It would be a shame to lose this riding area.

I would like to make a few points that can explain why the two wheel ban is inevitable and then propose some next steps.

1) This is private land owned by the township of Prescott Russel. If this ban goes through you will be trespassing with or without proper license and insurance.

2) The majority of decision makers of this land are in some way involved with ATV's and snowmobiles. Say what you want about land damage, this is not going to influence the decision makers, it may even work against you.

3) Most of the problem comes down to the behaviour of a few bikers. There have been several times that I have been in the staging area and observed bikers being very irresponsible. Yes, ATV's are also in this category but my experience has been mostly motocross bikes. On several occasions I have witnessed very impressive (stupid) acts of catwalks, wheel stands, circular burns outs, beer drinking, and racing right in the parking area. I once witnesses a horse trailer unload hores only to be almost dragged by their horse after a load bike decided to roost past. I do not see plates on many of these bikes and I assume they are not insured. Another issue is the noise generated by these oncorked bikes. Usually there are ATV riders watching in annoyance. For all I know these are the executives making the decisions on the fate of the forest. Even my son being 11 at the time has called them "idiots" before I said the same. On two occasions I have been upset enough to often confront a riders for almost running my son over and roosting my truck with rocks. It may be a few riders but for some reaon this area brings more fools than other areas I ride in.

I'm not saying that I am not an aggressive rider who rides fast and hard. The difference is that I don't do it in the parking lot or in the presence of oncoming traffic of anykind. Most of the ATV riders are riding to observe scenery and get there family out for a pleasant ride. They don't want to feel like they have stumbled onto a race track by accident.

4) Sales 101, What benefit do we 2 wheelers bring to the decision makers in this forest? Very few of us are in the Prescott Russel distirct. (I don't) If anything I believe we are appealing for change of understanding about the perception of who we are. I think we are on thin ice but it is not hopeless. Don't be fooled into thinkg that we are "owed" anything.

The best we can do is to assist with the percetion of who the majority of us are. We also need to find a way to police abusers regarding common sense in the forest. Perhaps signs regarding proper behavior may help. Maps indicating where to ride and where to avoid would help. The signs Private Property" "obey laws or permission revoked" helps on the sledding trails.

One thing that the leaders must understand is that they will never stop bikes from riding in the forest. They will also be stuck with a higher ratio of bad apples then they have now. Education and regulation is the best solution.

We can chat all we want but we need to take action. I suggest that we need a strategy to draft some of these suggestions and others for the Prescott Russell exectutive and present them. We could generate a petition that must include business leaders such as Wheelsport, Loiselle, and others. Other than the petition we would also need a large delegation of responsible people attending a meeting.

I am prepared to become involved but would need lot's of help. It would also be very helpful to have one of our leaders from the district and be billingual.

Steve Lowe
 

amuzme

New member
Hi guys,

I just heard about this one and I will send an OFTR introductory letter to
the township today and post it here along with a strategy for addressing this one.

I need contact information for one or two local riders that are willing to attend meetings and I need to know the BMA will act as the representative club since I need to make promises of stewardship and participation.

You can contact me at khoeverman@rogers.com or call me at 705-792-4506.

Best Regards,

Ken Hoeverman
Executive Director
OFTR
 

G. Brunet

New member
I have submitted my name to Ken as a possible attendee to any future meetings, as I am a frequent rider at LaRose.
 

amuzme

New member
I tried to post this last night but I couldn't get in.

Guy has stepped up to help locally - Thanks Guy!

I spoke with Prevost and he seems to be a reasonable guy. He explained that BMA (Ed Miller) was goven permission for signage and trails a few years back and actullay started to post trail signs. The residents complained and it apparently fell apart. (Typical complaints of noise, etc...)

From my notes it appears that bikes may still be allowed on the wider stuff but not allowed on the ATV trails. I need more clarification after I see the proposed by-law.

Here is my plan - comments are welcome:

Send Prevost an intro letter and ask for next steps - Done

Prevost has promised me a copy of the Draft By-law and date of submission to council.

I will prepare a list of recommendations after I see the by-law that outlines OFTR recommendations for shared use and stewardship.

From there, Guy (or myself) may need to get on the council agenda and make a presentation that challanges the democracy of allowing one vehicle type over another and stress the important of outdoor recreation as a health issue.

I copied Guy on the letter but I can't seem to post it here so email me if you would like to see it.

I would really like to have a chat with Ed Miller. Looks like he did a ton of work here and the history would help me. I also need a general idea of the traffic in Larose. Big place.



Ken
 

smokin

Active member
It is heartening to see people step up. I do not ride in the Larose but I might be able to do something behind the scenes. If we need letter writers, letter stuffers or a body at a meeting. I cannot be an owner at this time but I probably have a half day of two sometime this summer.
 

dschultz

Administrator
amuzme":kbyqi8ik said:
I would really like to have a chat with Ed Miller. Looks like he did a ton of work here and the history would help me. I also need a general idea of the traffic in Larose. Big place.

Ken

Here are a few links to forset information and history.
http://www.ofnc.ca/conservation/larose/
http://sof.eomf.on.ca/Soil_and_Wate...tudy/Larose_Forest/cs_history_of_larose_e.htm
http://www.easternontariostewardship.org/prescott-russell/prescott-russell_e.aspx
http://www.prescott-russell.on.ca/

There was a copy of the Larose Forest Users commitee on the web site but I can't find it anymore, maybe Ed still has a copy in his paper work.

Dale
 

amuzme

New member
I got a hold of Ed. His involvement has been substantial and creates a worthwhile history of the BMA attempting to work with the United Counties. He has worked very hard on this for a few years and deserves a great deal of praise.

The history is important as the UCs are aware of our interests and will need to consider ORMs (Off-Road Motorcyles) when preparing legislation.

The OFTR's involvment and a great letter from Benoit Desrochers last week will need to be addressed if they follow the rules. If they don't, there is recourse for us.

I hope to attend the Family Ride on July 9th. I have also asked Benoit to show me around Larose on the 8th if anyone is interested in going for a ride.

Ken
 
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Anonymous

Guest
My wife and I are planing to make the trip from Cambridge for this ride. This will be only our second such type of ride so we have much to learn.

Can someone recomend a hotel for us. We have never been to this area and are planing on staying a few days .

Thanks, Randy & Connie
 
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